exactly, I see Cingular posts in here FFS!...lol

Buckock said:
exactly, I see Cingular posts in here FFS!...lol

I enjoyed the post. It seemed pretty boneheaded on his part to say stuff like that. Perhaps he forgot he was being interviewed?

very good. but i asked him whats the reason for posting it. (besides this is a vzw forum) like what is he trying to prove.

nextel18 said:
very good. but i asked him whats the reason for posting it. (besides this is a vzw forum) like what is he trying to prove.

I think he's trying to prove that the remarks weren't the smartest to make. They were rather unfeeling in regards to Verizon customers.

it doesnt matter what that guy(the ceo says) i mean it does to some degree but it wont change people's outlook in the service.

nextel18 said:
it doesnt matter what that guy(the ceo says) i mean it does to some degree but it wont change people's outlook in the service.

That wasn't the point. He just posted because he thought we would be interested. I was interested. You weren't. It's done and over with.

i was interested in it, but it means nothing.

nextel18 said:
i was interested in it, but it means nothing.

Well, if you were interested in it, it must have had some meaning to you. Right? Fine, you think it means nothing, but I think it might have some backlash of bad PR for Verizon. But I may be wrong. Who knows? Time will tell.

bad pr for verizon? lol. i doubt it. verizon and vodaphone does well regardless of any bad PR.

nextel18 said:
bad pr for verizon? lol. i doubt it. verizon and vodaphone does well regardless of any bad PR.

Well, seeing as other websites have already picked up on the news in a negative light...I'd say you were wrong.

again, it doesnt matter about bad PR with verizon, becuase they always will do well with their results. verizon had terrible PR with their battle with nextel and verizon did well.

nextel18 said:
again, it doesnt matter about bad PR with verizon, becuase they always will do well with their results. verizon had terrible PR with their battle with nextel and verizon did well.

Dude! I didn't say that bad PR would hurt Verizon! I just said it was bad PR. Quit trying to make me angry.

this is what you sai. ", you think it means nothing, but I think it might have some backlash of bad PR for Verizon."

you just said bad pr could hurt verizon. unless backlash doesnt mean hurt.

nextel18 said:
this is what you sai. ", you think it means nothing, but I think it might have some backlash of bad PR for Verizon."

you just said bad pr could hurt verizon. unless backlash doesnt mean hurt.

Okay, you're reading it and not understanding. I said Verizon might see some bad PR. A backlash of bad PR. I didn't say that bad PR would hurt them.

alright. well i guess that was supposed to be aimed at KF then.

muchdrama said:

nextel18 said:
again, it doesnt matter about bad PR with verizon, becuase they always will do well with their results. verizon had terrible PR with their battle with nextel and verizon did well.

Dude! I didn't say that bad PR would hurt Verizon! I just said it was bad PR. Quit trying to make me angry.

Bad PR has already hurt Verizon. Why else would the dammed ATTWS customers not run to Verizon in droves? Why? It has to be something to do with rather being with the higher priced Cingular than porting over to Verizon..

VErizon doing well vs Nextel? DUh?
Who doesn't?

"Bad PR has already hurt Verizon."

prove it. look at churn.


"VErizon doing well vs Nextel? DUh?
Who doesn't?"

yea, you didnt get what i said. i said due to the bad pr that verizon was vs nextel verizon was still doing well.

(read the context better. you like to twist words around)

Bad PR may not hurt affect the customers already with Verizon but there is a reason they have not gined the port ins they expected from ATTWS....even after lowing prices and giving away more then ever in their history.

People just do not see Verizon as the only viable reliable solution anymore. BAd PR WILL hurt new customers with any company. If I were shopping for a phone and I read that CEO statement. My list would have gotten shorter immediately.....

If Verizon's churn rate goes up it will be becasue of the choices and flexibility of Cingular as well as the fact that Cingular is now a recognized national player as big as Verizon. Some may have alwasy wanted to play in the GSM world but it did not have the credibility it does now on ...
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"Bad PR may not hurt affect the customers already with Verizon but there is a reason they have not gined the port ins they expected from ATTWS....even after lowing prices and giving away more then ever in their history."

whats the reason?

"People just do not see Verizon as the only viable reliable solution anymore. BAd PR WILL hurt new customers with any company. If I were shopping for a phone and I read that CEO statement. My list would have gotten shorter immediately....."

really? since when? look at their churn levels. it has been decreasing. look at their sub growth it has been increasing.

"Some may see Verizon panicing and giving away here to for paid services and stick around awhile.."

verizon panicking? hahahah.

hey this is for 2004....

http://news.vzw.com/investor/20050127.pdf »

slide 4.

full year sub add= 6.3 million. up from 25 percent from 2003.

churn= full year 1.5 percent. down from 32 basis points. meaning they had 1.83 last year.

arpu= $50. up 2.8 percent from last year.

looks like they are doing fine to me with all the bad pr that they have been facing.

nextel18 said:
it doesnt matter what that guy(the ceo says) i mean it does to some degree but it wont change people's outlook in the service.

It already has...that atttude has filtered doen to the Reps over the past few years and the results of it are coming to pass...now that the is a vialble alternative and another lrge company...Something Verizon has never had.

The CEO is clearly frustrated and has no answers as to why a company with poor CS, can add so many new subs, and why all the port ins from the terrible ATTWS were not realized.....All he has to do is take a look in the mirror.....

it already has? on what? numbers didnt even come out yet. you dont know what they will be. channel checks indicate a good strength with vzw. by the way as i told muchdrama in the other post. verizon had terrible PR with the fcc and public safety and smr groups over the consensus plan and they did very well since then. so your theory is shot.

nextel18 said:
it already has? on what? numbers didnt even come out yet. you dont know what they will be. channel checks indicate a good strength with vzw. by the way as i told muchdrama in the other post. verizon had terrible PR with the fcc and public safety and smr groups over the consensus plan and they did very well since then. so your theory is shot.

Those days are over...There is formadible competition now.....Something Verizon never had which only contributed to the arrogance you all read from the CEO and filtered down through the company to the Sales Reps......

This is in my opinion EXACTLY why Cingular is doing so well and has surprised all of you.
Verizon will not do badly. BUT the are not d...
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"Those days are over"

show something to state that. there has been competition for years and still vzw has been maintaing a 5 million per year sub growth.

"This is in my opinion EXACTLY why Cingular is doing so well and has surprised all of you."

cingular isnt doing so well. if they would do so well their arpu wouldnt have gone down and they would have signed up more than 1.4 million.

"The PR is indeed catching up with Verizon...."

any proof of that?

YOu see the proof next week...amd next quarter and the following quarters......

Verizons competition has been small players in the public's minds. A group of small players with much smaller networks. Verizon was viewed as a NATIONAL company with a huge network. The rest were today's T mobiles and NExtels......Now there is a combined company that serves MORE major markets,,,...has THE largest all digital network...offers more and better phone choices.....better plans and more choices with roll over and 7PM nights...all on a national scale....no no no Verizon had no formidable competition..Thats why they were priced higher than all the carriers and now are scrambling to lower prices, and give away services they used to get paid extra for.
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"YOu see the proof next week...amd next quarter and the following quarters......"

what do you base that on?

Pure common sense, experience and studying the history business practices from the bottom up.

So far I have been on the mark. The people in front of the customer determine MORE where a business will go then any suit in any boardroom every day....Suits in general don't realize this in their self important corner offices. Smart businessmen realize this whether they own a hot dog stand or the largest service company on earth.

Unless VErizon changes its attitude from the top down in ALL aspects of their business they will never catch up to Cingular....unless Cingular gets as arrogant as Verizon is. Then its anyones game.

As long as Cingular does what it has been doing they will grow at a faster rate than Verizon in my opinion. Lay off...
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your common sense? lol hahahahah.

"So far I have been on the mark"

no you havnt. what have you been on the mark with? you thought cingular would blow the cover off the ball. they didnt.

"As long as Cingular does what it has been doing they will grow at a faster rate than Verizon in my opinion. Lay offs are next for Verizon...watch and learn grasshopper."

my friend, cingular will be having layoffs first becuase of the merger. ooo now its your opinion. what happened to the "facts" that you said. by the way since you didnt see verizon wireless' news it said that they are hiring "Verizon Wireless Adding to NY Metro Workforce".

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050420/nyw135.html?.v=6 »

Customer Growth Fuels Search for More Than 300 ...
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Show me the post where I claimed Cingular would"blow the cover off the ball" grasshopper..... Show me.....

I said Cingular would add more then Verizon...Period. If it were ONE more it still would be a feat NO ONE would have expected when I predicted it. Show me though where I said Cingular would do what you said I said.....You better have a link.

Yeah intersting...but stay tuned. Verizon cannot keep there cash flow where it has been lowering prices and not adding the new subs to make up for it. With Sprints record adds and Cingular's adds and the others. How great can Verizons adds be. There cannot be that much left in the 1st qtr pie.

The silence regarding the Verizon adds this qtr on this board is a clear signal...it's deafening. ...
(continues)

you told me a while ago that i will be very impressed with cingular's numbers. i remember that. i am not going to look, but i remember you said that.

"Verizon cannot keep there cash flow where it has been lowering prices and not adding the new subs to make up for it."

hahahahahha. thats funny.

"With Sprints record adds and Cingular's adds and the others. How great can Verizons adds be. There cannot be that much left in the 1st qtr pie."

from other carriers? from new customers? maybe the customers who have one provider wants another one as a backup?

by the way look at this..

http://news.vzw.com/investor/pdf/Cellco10k3-14-05.pdf »

we grew our customer base by 6.3 million and 5.0 million customers for the years ended December 31, 2004 and 2003, respectively;


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looks good to me.

ahhaha thats true. no no no problem what-so-ever i was just pointing that it was posted before. (thats all)

but i mean if you want something that doesnt have any coverage issues go get a landline or a satelite phone.

no doubt. I dont know anything about those satelitte phones...heard about them. I hear they are VERY expensive.

yea. they are. but i guess you pay for the functionality of having a global coverage area that is supported by satelites which obviously is the best coverage you will ever get. i think in building coverage should/would get better becuase a lot of communities are letting towers be put in places but most importantly is that technology is expanding that one day we can place a mini tower in our house to make it work or something like that.

i know this one company who is from canada i belive is trying to make a solution that enhances speeds and coverage in a house. (i forgot what the name is though. but i know i read about it) they need to do something about the decreasing of speeds with umts/hsdpa and ev-do when you go away from a cell site....
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Thats sounds wonderful! I definetly have an issue with certain areas in my house both with both of my Ver. and cingy phones. Would any type of radition come from those mini cell sites?

😢 wow i'm sorry about that post full of errors. I'm multitasking like five things at a time.

dont worry about it, i didnt even notice it.

"I definetly have an issue with certain areas in my house both with both of my Ver. and cingy phones"

we all do. when i had cingular i could barely get it in my house, however, my nextel phones are doing quite well with in-building.

"Would any type of radition come from those mini cell sites?"

of course. unless the FCC limits the power and things of that nature. all things give off radiation.

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i am not saying this will happen soon, but it could with our great technologies that we have.

check out a company like Telular.

http://www.telular.com/about/index.asp »

they do something like that. (you can read the link on it if you want)

Thank you 🙂

you are welcome.. i am not sure how it works, but its pretty cool. i think it sort of internally modifies the network and enhances it somehow.